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03 August 2011 @ 02:05 pm
Discussion Post - "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"  

Picture is link to the full episode but for the Spock/Chapel stuff just watch the video under the cut.



I was way too lazy to make a new one so this does have scenes from "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" but includes others as well.

Instead of a transcript there happens to be the actual script.

Some highlights from the script:

I would have preferred for it to read, "Spock cannot hold back the unrepentant jealously boiling underneath his cool Vulcan exterior," but this sentiment is nice too.



Spock's glance toward Christine during her exit isn't mentioned in this script; must have come from Nimoy.


Background

While "The Naked Time" was the first time Majel Barret appeared as Christine, "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" was where the character was first conceived and where we find out her last name is Chapel. This was the script that brought Majel on to the show:

"I was watching each of these scripts coming in, because I knew what I was going to do; they weren't going to
keep me out of this thing. It didn't happen until about the fifth or sixth script came in [‘What Are Little Girls
Made Of?']. There was a character by the name of Christine; originally her name wasn't Chapel—it was
something French. I had just finished a play using the last name of Chapel, and I just liked it so much. I.
thought, ‘Christine Chapel; ah, that sounds like Sistine Chapel. There's a little play on words.' The rest of the
story stayed the same—she was this doctor going out after her fiancé"

‘After you've been canned from a part in a pilot, the network doesn't want to see you again. So I bleached my
hair very, very blonde one morning and I went over and sat in Gene's office talking to Penny [Unger], who was
his secretary He came in and nodded at Penny, said ‘Good morning' to us and walked into his office. I thought.
'Well, that didn't make much of an impression at all; I'm going to lose this battle.' He came out again, gave
some papers to Penny and looked at me and nodded again, then turned and went hack into his room. And then
the door opened and he said, ‘Majel?!' 1 said ‘Gene. if I can fool you, I can fool NBC.' He said. ‘You're right,
obviously' And we pulled it off. We did it."


From pike_numberone

Discussion
In this episode there is no indication of Chapel having feelings for Spock, yet "The Naked Time" would contradict this. From the interview with Majel we can see Christine was first conceived within this episode. Why do you think the writers/producers/directors would have her fall for Spock when they all knew she had a fiancé?

What do you think of Christine in this episode? It's supposed to revolve all around her love life yet she hardly does anything. Some have been angry that her loyalty to Kirk wavered. Should she have been allowed to stay on the Enterprise?

I always think Spock looks a little sad when it's revealed Korby is still alive. Am I seeing things that aren't there?

What's up with Spock interrupting Chapel and Kirk's conversation with his presence? What about watching her leave?

Kirk tells Spock about Chapel's plans with no prompting. Is Kirk a Spock/Chapel shipper?

 
 
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civilmary on August 23rd, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
Sometimes reality trumps fiction. In this case I don't think the role was supposed to be Nurse Chapel, rather I believe it was supposed to go to some random guest star. But Roddenberry wanted to get his girlfriend more screen time hence, Barrett/Chapel took over the role. If you look at it from that angle, it makes better sense.

The action was supposed to revolve around the main characters, that is why Chapel does so little.

Since we must try to make sense let's say Chapel was in love with 2 men for a brief time. Though engaged to Korby, she had not seen or heard from him in a long time and he was presumed dead. It was hardly a relationship which would prevent her from falling for the enigmatic Spock. In both cases she love en out of hope for the impossible. Both Spock and Korby were long shots.

I don't think Spock responds in any fashion to the realization that Korby is alive. He has detached himself from Chapel to spare her feelings as much as possible.

Spock "interrupts" because he is uneasy and suspicious of Korby. He is not comfortable with Korby's unusual request - it is an illogical request. Spock's duty is to protect the ship, captain and personnel, he feels uncomfortable and expresses it through interruption.

Spock plainly watches Chapels rear-end when she leaves. I can offer no explanation other than Spock is an unconscious ass-man.

Kirk tells Spock about Chapel staying because he is the science office and first officer. He is the one who manages personnel. Plus as science officer he might also manage medical and life sciences which Chapel is part of.

I don't think Kirk or McCoy ship Spock/Chapel. Both realize nobody is going to get Spock invested emotionally if Spock is in his right mind. McCoy teases her about her crush and Kirk is more amused by it.

The Girl Formerly Known As chunkylover53_newest_gloss on August 23rd, 2011 06:30 pm (UTC)
I don't think Kirk or McCoy ship Spock/Chapel. Both realize nobody is going to get Spock invested emotionally if Spock is in his right mind. McCoy teases her about her crush and Kirk is more amused by it.

I think part of that is true but I also think Kirk and especially McCoy would want Spock to explore his human side but naturally of his own accord. Aside from Amok Time, I don't think McCoy particularly eggs on Chapel or teases either one of them about the relationship. I think he'd like both of his friends to be happy, and rightly or not McCoy probably thinks for Spock that means the love of a good woman, perhaps not necessarily Chapel. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think McCoy would want them together.

I think same probably goes for Kirk. They aren't necessarily looking to hook the two of them up but probably entertaining how nice that idea would be.

Spock "interrupts" because he is uneasy and suspicious of Korby...Kirk tells Spock about Chapel staying because he is the science office and first officer. He is the one who manages personnel. Plus as science officer he might also manage medical and life sciences which Chapel is part of.

I should have clarified that question. I meant Spock interrupting at the end of the show when Chapel says, "Thank you for letting me make the decision Captain." He approaches what appears to be a semi-private conversation before they are clearly done.

I always saw this as Kirk sort of reading Spock and noticing his curiosity. That is why I read this scene as significant to Spock/Chapel because Spock is curious about what is going to happen to Nurse Chapel and evidently, it couldn't wait until a staff meeting. He walks up to Kirk and Chapel and in as she leaves he watches her. That's when Kirk says she's staying on the ship. I know with real life script writing they wouldn't do the whole waiting game finding out what happens to Chapel, but really the writers can imagine what ever they want. Chapel did not even need to be there if all Spock needed to know was personnel changes. If they just wanted to tell the audience Chapel was staying, it could have been a scene between just her and Kirk, yet the writer(s)/producers/director etc. decided to have Spock there.

By the way, are you new to this community?
civilmary on August 23rd, 2011 07:41 pm (UTC)
I think in general that Spock knows he is too messed up emotionally to have a relationship with anyone within the context of TOS. He is too busy fighting his own demons and has the decency not to inflict himself onto another person. He cares about Chapel, has a highly developed conscience that does not want to hurt anyone, but he has committed himself to the Vulcan way, truly thinks it is the superior way... and this means more to him than anything else.. including his father's life for example.

This complex interaction between Spock and Chapel is quite interesting and I never wanted to see it resolved - or at least not yet. There is still lots that can be written about it. It is so unique that there is lots to intrigue still. It is a great psychological exhibit and examines how compassion interacts with logic.

McCoy expresses his knowledge of Chapels interest in Spock in "Operation Annihilate", "The Enterprise Incident", "Plato's Stepchildren". M'Benga also notes it in "A Private Little War".

McCoy and Kirk would love to see Spock get together with her, but they write it off as impossible.

I can't really say why the writers put Spock in the final scene except that there was nobody any more appropriate. McCoy was better, but he didn't appear in this episode.
The Girl Formerly Known As chunkylover53_: Spock/Chapelnewest_gloss on August 23rd, 2011 09:59 pm (UTC)
McCoy expresses his knowledge of Chapels interest in Spock in "Operation Annihilate", "The Enterprise Incident", "Plato's Stepchildren"

I actually disagree with this but it's a discussion for later episodes.

McCoy and Kirk would love to see Spock get together with her, but they write it off as impossible.
So we kind of agree then?

I can't really say why the writers put Spock in the final scene except that there was nobody any more appropriate.

My point was that TPTB didn't need to have Spock or anyone there to tell the audience Chapel was staying on the ship. I think of it as a way to sort of keep the intrigue around Spock/Chapel going. We can disagree about this but neither of us are right since it's all left up to interpretation anyway.

I'll probably put up another episode discussion post tomorrow, so get ready.
civilmary on August 24th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
Actually I now agree that the Spock/Chapel scene at the end was probably a way of keeping up the intrigue of the Spock/Chapel dynamic going. I never thought of it until you mentioned it but they must have realized how strange it looked to have had Chapel declare love for Spock 2 weeks earlier, and then just drop it. I still think this role was not written to be Nurse Chapel, but they adapted things to get Barrett into the role. The final scene with she and Spock may have been deliberately added for the reasons you mention. Good call.